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[zander]

On the internet its considered sort of normal to stick your fingers in your ears and scream "I'm not listening"

I cited the G&M - which one are you sure is incorrect?

The G&M is usually pretty accurate, but let's go right to Marleau and Montpetit.

House of Commons Procedure and Practice: Prorogation and Dissolution

Effects of Prorogation

The principal effect of ending a session by prorogation is to terminate business. Members are released from their parliamentary duties until Parliament is next summoned. All unfinished business is dropped from or “dies” on the Order Paper and all committees lose their power to transact business, providing a fresh start for the next session. No committee can sit during a prorogation. Bills which have not received Royal Assent before prorogation are “entirely terminated” and, in order to be proceeded with in the new session, must be reintroduced as if they had never existed.

Since none of the above bills received Royal Assent, looks like the Globe was correct. But I do believe there is an exception for private members bills.

In December, the Globe suggested that the the bill repealing the long gun registry would survive prorogation. If they can be believed of course.

And bills can be reintroduced with the unanimous consent of the House. But given the atmosphere in Parliament, does anyone think that will happen?

[Northender]

I think the Tories will win the next election if they play the "CRIME" card for all it is worth.

So how many crime bills died on the order paper when they prorogued Parliament?

Absolutely. And no one cares anyway.

Speak for yourself....
I am tired of all the 2 for 1 or even 1.5 time off before trial crap.....

this is exactly the kind of response the government didn't consider when the PM decided no one cared about the goings on at parliament anyway, except perhaps the financial markets, which are unsettled by the workings of government.

[bgilchrist001]

On the internet its considered sort of normal to stick your fingers in your ears and scream "I'm not listening"

I cited the G&M - which one are you sure is incorrect?

The G&M is usually pretty accurate, but let's go right to Marleau and Montpetit.

House of Commons Procedure and Practice: Prorogation and Dissolution

Effects of Prorogation

The principal effect of ending a session by prorogation is to terminate business. Members are released from their parliamentary duties until Parliament is next summoned. All unfinished business is dropped from or “dies” on the Order Paper and all committees lose their power to transact business, providing a fresh start for the next session. No committee can sit during a prorogation. Bills which have not received Royal Assent before prorogation are “entirely terminated” and, in order to be proceeded with in the new session, must be reintroduced as if they had never existed.

Since none of the above bills received Royal Assent, looks like the Globe was correct. But I do believe there is an exception for private members bills.

In December, the Globe suggested that the the bill repealing the long gun registry would survive prorogation. If they can be believed of course.

And bills can be reintroduced with the unanimous consent of the House. But given the atmosphere in Parliament, does anyone think that will happen?

Ummm...Your source is 10 years old, you should be using this:

http://www.parl.gc.ca/compendium/web-content/c_d_prorogationparliament-e.htm

so as you can see, private members bills do continue from where they left off.

If, as is being reported, Layton has said that he will support a motion to reintroduce all bills at the same spot they were in before prorogation then kudos to him.

I still can't believe the number of people still bitching about MPs 'getting extra time off'. If you don't support prorogation, that's fine. But at least have a valid reason for not supporting it as opposed to an outright lie.

[zander]

Ummm...Your source is 10 years old, you should be using this:

The basic point remains the same:

My link: Bills which have not received Royal Assent before prorogation are “entirely terminated” and, in order to be proceeded with in the new session, must be reintroduced as if they had never existed. (plus noted options for reintroducing bills with unanimous consent).

Your link:[i]All government bills that have not received Royal Assent prior to prorogation cease to exist;...; In order for government bills to be proceeded with in a new session, they must be reintroduced as new bills or they may be reinstated, if the House agrees to this.[/quote]

So the only difference is that private members bills are automatically reintroduced. All government bills are gone unless the House unanimously agrees to reintroduce them. And how many of the bills that FGD cited were private member's bills? I suspect it's no more than a handful.

so as you can see, private members bills do continue from where they left off.

Ah, so the Globe was right about that.

If, as is being reported, Layton has said that he will support a motion to reintroduce all bills at the same spot they were in before prorogation then kudos to him.

Will all Parliamentary committees be able to pick up exactly where they left off too? That would seem like a reasonable option. But I still doubt the House will unanimously pick up all bills exactly where they left off. Perhaps Harper should have considered that before proroguing?

I still can't believe the number of people still bitching about MPs 'getting extra time off'. If you don't support prorogation, that's fine. But at least have a valid reason for not supporting it as opposed to an outright lie.

I can think of any number of valid reasons not to support prorogation, but what's the "outright lie" again? That's a pretty strong term to use.

[bgilchrist001]

I can think of any number of valid reasons not to support prorogation, but what's the "outright lie" again? That's a pretty strong term to use.

Watch the news, read the paper and listen and read about all these people that are bitching about MPs taking extra time off. Looks like there were several signs used at the various rallies on the weekend suggesting that MPs are taking a holiday.

WTF? Because they are not sitting in the house? I would like someone to find me an MP that is sitting home and watching the soaps. The way our system is set up there is more to the job of MP than just sitting in the HofC.

And our shitty MSM does nothing to correct this.

Follow that logic and the same people should be just as outraged if not more about our MLAs that sit even less.

Have a reason, but at least have a valid reason.

As you said, there are several - it's not hard to pick one out. You shouldn't need to use BS reasons like "extra holidays"or "undemocratic"

[cancelbot]

^ Yes, we all know MPs work when they're not in Parliament. But Parliament does not work when MPs are not there. That is the key distinction to be made here.

I don't think it's really a big deal whether Shelly Glover or Anita Neville are having tea and cookies with the seniors down at the local nursing home, even if they are still "working". However, it is a big deal that Parliament is not doing anything, and that the whole legislative agenda (save for those all-important Private Members Bills) has been flushed down the toilet to suit the immediate political needs of the PMO.

[johndk51]

Jack Layton has suggested to all male PC MP's to use the time they've had their heads up their asses in prorogue to check their prostates.

[sputnik]

Jack Layton has suggested to all male PC MP's to use the time they've had their heads up their asses in prorogue to check their prostates.

Then Jack must have found his prostate cancer the moment it showed up.

[Fort Garry Dark]

PMO won't deny Parliament prorogation plan

Suspension until after Olympics would disrupt Afghan detainee hearings: opposition
The prorogation is thought to be a strategic move by Harper to gain a majority on Senate committees while possibly avoiding criticism over the Afghan detainee issue.

I really think Harper's tactics are pretty low There is a lot of energy being wasted in Ottawa..

Opposition fumes as Tories release reams of redacted detainee files

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... le1512550/

[bgilchrist001]

PMO won't deny Parliament prorogation plan

Suspension until after Olympics would disrupt Afghan detainee hearings: opposition
The prorogation is thought to be a strategic move by Harper to gain a majority on Senate committees while possibly avoiding criticism over the Afghan detainee issue.

I really think Harper's tactics are pretty low There is a lot of energy being wasted in Ottawa..

Opposition fumes as Tories release reams of redacted detainee files

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... le1512550/

Is there any reason why this is posted here aside from attempting to bring the word 'prorogue' to the top of the most recent post list?

Should be a different thread IMHO.