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    • CommentAuthorDeanK
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2008
     
    How the heck do they measure the greenhouse gases a city, province, country, planet produces?

    Tom's talking about manitoba's greenhouse gas emmisions growing last year.. and says

    "Manitoba's greenhouse gas emissions grew again in 2006, this time by 150,000 tonnes compared with the previous year"

    So, how accurate is this measurement?
    I can only assume they measure how much fossil fuel we consumed and extrapolate how much green house gas that would cause... but that is a pretty huge assumption I would think... (also leads me to wonder if that is what they do.. what takes them so freakin long to come out with 2006 numbers?)

    http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Manitoba/2008/06/06/5791401-sun.html
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    Methinks a Wizard just makes them up.
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      CommentAuthorzander
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2008
     
    Actually it's pretty precise. You measure based on energy use and known factors like landfill emissions. Large sources (i.e Inco) are also required to report their emissions to Environment Canada, and some others do it voluntarily.
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    Can they provide a breakdown of the gases?
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      CommentAuthorzander
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2008
     
    I think so. If you know that gasoline produces X % of a certain gas and Y % of another, you could extrapolate that. Some sources (Inco again) will provide exact measurements.
    • CommentAuthorDeanK
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2008
     
    I bet they think its precise... but its actually not so much...
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      CommentAuthorzander
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2008
     
    Why not?
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    It's as precice as most other measurements...
    • CommentAuthorDeanK
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2008
     
    oh gee I dont know... maybe because its damn near impossible to be acurate on a scale as large as a province without placing a huge dome over it...
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      CommentAuthorzander
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2008
     
    Not really, if you know how much energy was used in the province. And the big sources who produce the most pollution will have exact measurements.
    • CommentAuthorDeanK
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2008
     
    no there measurement are not 100% accurate either... and since Vehicles supposedly make up 37%... the variety of vehicles and how much CO2 they produce per litre of fuel varies somewhat.
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      CommentAuthorzander
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2008
     
    Fuel produces consistent amounts of C02 regardless of which vehicle is burning it. If you know how much fuel was used, you're set.
    • CommentAuthorDeanK
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2008
     
    Very few vehicles "use" anywhere near 100% of the actual fuel.
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      CommentAuthorzander
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2008
     
    Hmmm?<p>

    Obviously it won't be 100%, because some fuel sold here may be burned elsewhere, but it would balance out in the same way. Natural gas use is easy to measure, since it all comes through Hydro.
    • CommentAuthorDeanK
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2008
     
    A good portion is not actually burned at all is my point. Vehicles are very far from effecient users of the actual fuel, never mind how inefficient they are at turning the fuel they do use into energy.

    Natural Gas too..... not all of it is burned in your furnace...and older furnaces are worse... so actually getting the REAL number is mere guess work...

    You can say well... 90% of the fuel is actually consumed, but.. there is absolutely no way at all of proving that measurement to be acurate across an entire province.
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      CommentAuthorzander
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2008
     
    I would expect that these things are taken into account. And there is no way of proving that this is 100% accurate, but short of putting a dome up and measuring all of the air, this is the best and most effective way of doing it.<p>
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    I told ya. They consult the Wizard.
    • CommentAuthorDeanK
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2008
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: zander</cite>I would expect that these things are taken into account. And there is no way of proving that this is 100% accurate, but short of putting a dome up and measuring all of the air, this is the best and most effective way of doing it.<p></p></blockquote>

    heh... thats what I said :)
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      CommentAuthorzander
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2008
     
    I think it's a lot more accurate then you said, and I do think they take many different factors into account when calculating it. ;)
    • CommentAuthorDeanK
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2008
     
    problem is we dont know how accurate it is and yet it is one of the drivers for changes. ( ie Kyoto).