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Winnipeg City Issues & Urban Affairs: Taman Inquiry

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    Was it not the East St Paul police that made the errors regarding the Taman case? I think I mentioned that before.
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    That's what I thought, but maybe they were transferred?
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    Posted By: WinnipegParentThat's what I thought, but maybe they were transferred?


    Huh, transferred where? East St Paul is a separate municipality.
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    There is plenty of police culpability to pass around. East St. Paul buggered up the investigation. Winnipeg police officers lied to the crown regarding Zenk's action that night.morning.
    • CommentAuthoralex
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2008
     
    Posted By: grumpy old manWinnipeg police officers lied to the crown regarding Zenk's action that night.morning.


    Did they lie? I thought they just refused to co-operate with the Crown?
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    • CommentAuthorDriver8
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2008
     
    I agree that the police should not collude in assisting one of their own to escape punishment for wrongdoing. It makes the whole force look very hippocritical, not just the one individual. "Refusing to co-operate" may as well be covering up evidence as far as I'm concerned.

    I've heard it's common knowledge amongst the law-enforcement folks how to evade drunk-driving charges and they advise their friends the same. How about just "If you drink, don't drive".


    I do think there is damn good reason for the police to NOT have their names visible to the public. Given the people they deal with on a daily basis, and the sometimes irrational ways people deal with their anger these days, it makes sense. If you were the wife or husband of a police officer, would you want the gang members and thugs showing up on your front door??
    http://www.winnipegfirst.ca/article/2007/04/03/final_be_suspect_nabbed

    If there is a problem with making complaints about officers conduct on the job, I think it should be dealt with by having better responsiveness by the managers up the chain when you do call and complain about badge number whatever.
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      CommentAuthorZwikster
    • CommentTimeJul 9th 2008
     
    this shows how the cops dont approve of testifying against each other, just like a street gang...and if you do your a traitor or a rat. AKA the blue wall of silence..

    http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Winnipeg/2008/07/09/6104456-sun.html

    "It was alleged that when East St. Paul Const. Bryan Maloney was waiting to testify, he had been approached in a hallway by former East St. Paul constable Ken Graham and told by Graham that he is one of "a bunch of f---ing traitors."
    Thankful People: alex
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    It seems almost like a form of work harassment doesn't it? If you speak up against some wrong doing by one of your co-workers you could be ostracized. Not unlike many other work environments but in certain cases (such as the one we're talking about) with the police it is not just a workplace thing.
    Thankful People: alex
    • CommentAuthoralex
    • CommentTimeJul 9th 2008
     
    Zwikster, I agree, there are a lot of parallels between certain work environments (especially those whom refer to themselves as 'brotherhoods') and gangs. And FreakyGirl, I also agree, it is a form of work harassment. It's like whistle blowing. You see something wrong, you report it, and your co-workers go out of their way to make life hell for you. Thus why more people don't stand up, in general. It's easier to stay quiet and do what your co-workers pressure you to do. Apparently there is little public honour for honesty.

    It's also just plain harassment. Even on these forums, if you dare to properly criticize the Police (read: city department) in the slightest way, there are a handful of people here who will attack you forever as 'anti-cop' no matter what past good things you've said or what experience you are speaking from.

    There are great cops and there are bad cops. There likely is more good cops than bad cops, but there are enough bad cops to make people doubt the whole organization. Even the police apologists (who happen to be bullies themselves) agree on that. But the problem with the Police isn't the officers themselves, but the culture that allows bad behaviour to persist. The sad thing is that we only hear about it when they kill someone.
    Thankful People: Zwikster
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    Posted By: alex But the problem with the Police isn't the officers themselves, but the culture that allows bad behaviour to persist. The sad thing is that we only hear about it when they kill someone.

    Can't agree there. We hear all about many instances of cops dissing ordinary folks on NW and that means the word is out.
    • CommentAuthorMiz point
    • CommentTimeJul 9th 2008
     
    Cops can try and diss me all they want to. The only ones who would do so would be the cops with stains on their consciences. LERA cases rarely make it to the final stages. Cops can afford high-paid attorneys to defend themselves like the Weinsteins because of their union. OTOH, you, the person who launched the LERA case, have to foot your own bill in order to bring these thugs to justice and accountability. District 3 was mentioned earlier? The stories some of us could tell about that branch. The crap attitudes that have been exhibited. Disgusting.

    Saying all that I still maintain that for the most part our police are far better than the crazies you have in the States. For every crap cop in this town there are at least five good ones and it is the good ones that I will respect. As to any lurkers looking for a scene? Fuggedaboudit! Go have a doughnut. Lay off the coke and booze.
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      CommentAuthorZwikster
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2008
     
    http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Columnists/Brodbeck_Tom/2008/07/10/6117081-sun.html

    Everybody and his dog smelled liquor on Harvey-Zenk's breath. He was up partying with his cop buddies all night, drinking at a Branigan's bar and restaurant.

    HANDCUFFED

    There were strong grounds to arrest him at the crime scene, read him his Charter rights and bring him back -- handcuffed -- to the East St. Paul police station for a breathalyzer test.

    That's how it normally works.

    Instead, East St. Paul police diddled around with Harvey-Zenk, put him in a cruiser car for a while, asked him how he was, and later drove him to the East St. Paul police station.

    He wasn't handcuffed and he was even left alone in the cruiser car for a while.

    Normally, you're arrested and charged and while you're in police custody, you get to make one call -- usually to your lawyer. That's it.

    Not Harvey-Zenk.

    East St. Paul police Chief Norm Carter, who was a sergeant at the time, asked Harvey-Zenk if he'd like to call his wife or the Winnipeg Police Association. They even let him talk to a counsellor with the Winnipeg Police Service.

    That's just not done when you're in police custody.

    And when Harvey-Zenk was eventually released, they did so on a simple promise to appear with no conditions. Normally, conditions such as abstaining from alcohol are part of the deal.

    Not for this cop.

    Carter admitted on the stand yesterday that he did give Harvey-Zenk special treatment.

    But he says it wasn't because Harvey-Zenk was a cop
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    What happened is sickening! There's no other word for it. Sickening.

    Any bets all the fcken cops are buying their houses from these bastards.
    • CommentAuthornorthender
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2008
     
    I feel nothing but pity for the famly of Crystal Tamen. I would be looking to sue the city of East St. Paul for this, as well as Harvey Zenk, and any one else that can be named.
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      CommentAuthorJimmytufish
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2008 edited
     
    I'm wondering if these bad cops can be charged with obstruction, even at this late date. IMHO, Miniuk should be disbarred.
    Thankful People: alex, mrchristian, Zwikster, grumpy old man, Monominto
    • CommentAuthorDeanK
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2008
     
    there are a huge number of charges that could be be brought forward.. but wont.
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    I hope that you're right and wrong.
    • CommentAuthorDeanK
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2008
     
    heh me too
    • CommentAuthorvinman5
    • CommentTimeJul 11th 2008
     
    i think the cops involved should be charged more severly than harvey zank ever would have. this whole thing makes my blood boil.
    i hope for all our sake the taman family find justice .. and its not just a cash law suit ..
    are our police that unaccountable that they thought this was a good idea? on a positive note i am glad that there are many officers willing to talk (honestly) about it.

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