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Winnipeg City Issues & Urban Affairs: CFS should fight back against Lindor

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    • CommentAuthorMr. Nobody
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2008
     
    whats your point wolfie? Stick to the threads main topic.
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      CommentAuthorStBPegger
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2008
     
    "The only problem that we have is a government that refuses to invest the proper amount of money needed to get the aboriginals, and all those on social assisstance out of the poverty that the people are in."

    How much money would that be? I thought it was called social ASSISTANCE because it was supposed to assist, not be a means to an end. If we pay enough (whatever that is) to make it comfortable for them - do you think they'll want to go back to work?

    NOTE I'm not including those who are disabled, etc.
    Thankful People: Goth_chic, Jimmytufish, jim, cj3470
    • CommentAuthorBackster
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2008
     
    "Seems to me if they have to "promote" themselves, something is wrong. Their work should speak for itself imo."

    For someone that espouses a business-type model for how all government services are run, this seems kind of out of whack. Telling some CFS success stories with the money will certainly lessen the distrust of CFS with many families and allow them to do better work. Any organization that isn't allowed to tell their good stories while eating lumps in the paper for their failures, is going to be seen (as it is in many parts of this thread) as a total disaster, despite any good it does.
    • CommentAuthorMr. Nobody
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2008
     
    I don't see CFS as a failure but I do appreciate Lindor /press for reporting some of the failures. Keeps everyone on their toes.
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    Posted By: Backster"Seems to me if they have to "promote" themselves, something is wrong. Their work should speak for itself imo."

    For someone that espouses a business-type model for how all government services are run, this seems kind of out of whack. Telling some CFS success stories with the money will certainly lessen the distrust of CFS with many families and allow them to do better work. Any organization that isn't allowed to tell their good stories while eating lumps in the paper for their failures, is going to be seen (as it is in many parts of this thread) as a total disaster, despite any good it does.
    When successes are few and far between, you have a problem. Then you need to throw out the BS and start to actually show good work.

    Does the fire department have to promote or advertise?
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    The government does enough chest-thumping on my dime. The CFS does not have dime one to waste on marketing themselves with a frivolous $140 campaign. They have a communication department. Hire someone with decent PR skills and work the media and other outlets to get GOOD PR for free.
    • CommentAuthorDeanK
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2008
     
    "They have a communication department. Hire someone with decent PR skills and work the media and other outlets to get GOOD PR for free. "

    Well maybe they did just that... but ended up with Bad PR instead of good... you ever think that maybe.... they never were going to actually do the advertising?
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    This sure did blow up in their faces. It sure shows their competence eh? If anyone wonders why things aren't going too well in their communities, this should give you a hint. ;)
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      CommentAuthorStBPegger
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2008
     
    Posted By: JimmytufishDoes the fire department have to promote or advertise?
    Didn't the nurses run a rah-rah campaign?
    • CommentAuthorBackster
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2008
     
    Doesn't every other business in the city?
    • CommentAuthorMr. Nobody
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2008
     
    Didn't know CFS was a business. I think their mandate should be " working to be out of business "
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    • CommentAuthorBackster
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2008
     
    I'm well aware they're not a business, but generally the same people on here that are critical of not-for-profit services wish they were run more like businesses, and yet hamstring them with none of the abilities of using the tools that businesses do - like spending some money to be better perceived by their "customers". For every one kid that is injured in care, how many are well cared for - we lose all perspective on this when only the "for profit" news media tells their story.
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    Horsehockey. If I ask a government office be run like a business it has everything to do with paying for performance; efficient and productive staffing; promoting and hiring due to skills and experience. If they are run like a business, they ought to live within their means and spend only what they can afford.
    • CommentAuthorMr. Nobody
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2008
     
    The less I hear from CFS the better. I read the act, I support it, I pay my taxes. I assume they are doing a good job and I look to the media for doing their job by reporting anything out of the ordinary.

    Maybe CFS should release stats to the press, who will print it for free as Grumpy mentioned. This notion of social agencies operating like a business should be chucked as soon as possible. It consumes to much money and energyt, that could be better spent on the kids..
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    CFS agnecies, at least in the past, would issue an annual report with statistics, financials etc.

    I believe the idea is for social service agencies to run in a business like manner. It is naive to think that good business practices can be discarded and that it consumes money and energy that could be spent on kids. Without good business practices, time, money and energy is wasted, providing fewer resources for kids.

    With that attitude MrN, it would be best to stay clear of this type of work.
    • CommentAuthorMr. Nobody
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2008
     
    Forgive me for disagreeing, but wasting money on duplication of "business practices" is a waste. And thanks for the tip about the work, I don't think I'd be able to handle the "suits" and their bullshit.
    • CommentAuthorMr. Nobody
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2008
     
    Grumpy, you know they can't. Government is a social- structure. Those that work there want the best of both worlds except when it comes to accountability.
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    Now I hear that they are going ahead with the PR campaign again.

    I think there's gonna' be some heads rolling and some funding cuts...at least I hope so.

    How can an agency that is being investigated for misspending do this? Un-effin-believable!!
    • CommentAuthorMr. Nobody
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2008
     
    How can an agency that is being investigated for misspending do this

    It's Government. With alphabets as the heads.
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    MrN

    I work for an agency that is funded in part by public money. We are not government. Not at all. Never have been. Never will be. But what do I know about it after 18+ years.

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