<blockquote><cite>Posted By: Jimmytufish</cite>Scary thought. We will have some kind of sub-culture thingy running around with their brains fried from birth.
Is this some kind of sneaky way of getting back at the white man by making the government responsible for all these people?</blockquote>I've heard one of the long-term affects of generations of alcoholism is sterility.
This has been very interesting to read Northender you seem to have a lot of blame to hand out , society is not the problem. First I have spent many years working with the CFS and have found many of the people there to be very good yes there are bad just like any job. There mandate is not to do what you ask , it is to care for children who are in transition or are wards of the goverment . The only people who should instill pride are the parents and in this case there are none as most of the children's parents have given up as it is easier .
The native society has to get its own act together and stop blaming and asking to be taken care of , it is time to teach your children to do better. Stay sober and stop having sex with no protection show your children pride and means to buy there dreams . I have seen and worked with many natives and there have been success but they are few and far between. Most think someone owes them which no one doe's when I worked there and many people who do now if they could will tell you this
As a society grow up stop thinking the white man owes you and has to raise your oops , it is time to take the reins and change it yourselves as you are the only ones who can. The native warriors were proud people and most would be ashamed of the lack of pride the culture is showing today. this is not only Natives whites are just as guilty.
You're the one doing the blaming- pointing fingers everywhere.
I'm saying we need to stop blaming and get on with the job. If it isn't the job of CFS to look after kids that are in "transition", whatever that means, then who is responsible.
Children are victims of this vicious cycle. People really need to stop blaming them. For sure they aren't at fault.
<blockquote><cite>Posted By: northender</cite>You're the one doing the blaming- pointing fingers everywhere.
I'm saying we need to stop blaming and get on with the job. If it isn't the job of CFS to look after kids that are in "transition", whatever that means, then who is responsible.
Children are victims of this vicious cycle. People really need to stop blaming them. For sure they aren't at fault.</blockquote>
They aren't to blame, yet they seem to get a lot of the blame, and unfortunately if all we do is sit and blame each other, they are going to grow up to be the parents we complain about. It's time to stop talking and actually do something to help these kids and break the cycle.
It seems whenever someone tries to be innovative in helping these kids, they are shot down. I would have thought a campaign aimed at building the self-esteem and self-respect of First Nations kids in care would be an excellent way forward. That is what our community centre is doing and the results have been spectacular.
"A northern Manitoba child welfare agency may have failed to visit some of the kids in its care because it ran out of money to do so after spending it on excessive travel and unjustifiable expenses. "
"The agency is one of five child welfare agencies now under review in Manitoba for various reasons. "
We need to rid the system of users and exploiters. But that doesn't mean we should destroy the system in the process and run down genuine efforts to help kids, if in fact the intent is genuine. There are plenty of bad eggs and users in other government agencies as well. It isn't just in CFS.
I don't recall anyone blaming the kids. Where did that come from?
I don't recall anyone claiming "it isn't the job of CFS to look after kids that are in "transition"". Where did that come from?
Never mind. They're rhetorical questions.
As for a "campaign aimed at building the self-esteem and self-respect of First Nations kids in care"... Sure, it's a great idea. But that is not what the $140k PR campaign is about. I personally don't believe it is the responsibility of the CFS. I've said this three times now.
I was asked whose responsibility it was. I don't rightly know. The parents? The caregivers. The schools? The social services agencies? You? Me? Everyone? But not the CFS.
<blockquote><cite>Posted By: grumpy old man</cite>I don't recall anyone blaming the kids. Where did that come from?
I was asked whose responsibility it was. I don't rightly know. The parents? The caregivers. The schools? The social services agencies? You? Me? Everyone? But not the CFS.</blockquote>
Are you kidding. Kids having kids. Yes people are blaming them. Maybe not in this post, but you can find numerous examples. So yeah, there is a general theme of blame and finger pointing. But responsibility for wards of the state? Who is responsible for their well being, not just food, clothes and shelter. We have to raise these kids - that is the public. So who is reponsible for holding the purse strings?
<blockquote><cite>Posted By: jim</cite>....it is time to take the reins and change it yourselves as you are the only ones who can. </blockquote>Problem is, once they're in charge, everyone starts to take trips and buy cars, etc.
North I never blamed the kids I know better it is the kids having the kids. The goverment has put untold millions on the line over 25 odd years and the teen pregnancy rate is still higher and the rate of CFS kids climbs think about it . As said I have worked frontline and have seen and heard most of the story you talk about . The boys and girls have to take charge and stop thinking society owes them something cause they had a mistake. It is time to take responsability for their children and stop over loading the system .
<blockquote><cite>Posted By: Mr. Nobody</cite>Jeez, north, if food, cloths and shelter aren't part of your definition of well being and a large part, me thinks you have a case of utopiaitis.</blockquote>
Well, let's get back to an earlier thread, where you tried to more or less question Mr. C's credentials and ideas. And he listed off the many things he does.
To which you had no response.
North actually does something in the community, and works daily with kids in care--every day on the front lines trying to make a difference.
The only problem that we have is a government that refuses to invest the proper amount of money needed to get the aboriginals, and all those on social assisstance out of the poverty that the people are in. They have a plan that is set to fail because of their stinginess. They know that the poverty level is, for example $22,000 for a family of 5, and set the asisstance level below the poverty level, as if that level would be good, and then if the person earns any money claw back the money. What a bunch of cheapskates! They plan to fail, and are quite successful in their plan!