You are right J2F, and those facilities should have been part of the Base drawings and would have been covered in the tender. But as you point out, not too many bridges need sewers. Brodbeck probably had it right with his figure.
Not disputing that it would not cost a lot to service a bridge for a restaurant. Just dispelling the dumb simpleton myth that somehow providing bathrooms cost $1m. I think others pointed this out except for certain columnists whose opinions tend to pass as news for many.<nbr> <br> I thought bridges, big parking lots and other such structures HAD to be tied into sewer now due to the fact that the run-off from them cannot just pour into the river anymore - not for years now. So, sewer has to be run. As for electricity - if you have to run it for lights (on a modern bridge they're not going to "run a string of lights" with above ground hydro wires) the cost of running hydro to and through the bridge would have to have been paid anyway.
I can't believe this Broadbeck headline still attracts attention. The Esplanade is beautiful. It is iconic to Winnipeg. I've eaten at the Sal's a couple of times and used the facilities. I'm glad Sal's has been able to hold on for a couple of years.
Shammy's vision seems to be to privatize parks in order to build more condos.
<blockquote><cite>Posted By: Mr. Nobody</cite>You are right J2F, and those facilities should have been part of the Base drawings and would have been covered in the tender. But as you point out, not too many bridges need sewers. Brodbeck probably had it right with his figure.</blockquote> I agree with the fact that it should have been part of the base drawings for the project rather than a last minute "add on".
I love the Esplanade Riel walkway, its so much bigger then on other bridges, and much more attractive with the inclusion of the restaurant. That to me all by itself made the whole bridge worthwhile.
Of course, when congestion becomes a problem (as it is now), people find other times/routes. With more lanes (choices), people will go back to the route/times as before.
Additionally, I'm not sure how you'd increase the density of Elmwood/East K. short of demolishing private houses and replacing them all with MDUs.
"That is just childish. Something is not aesthetically pleasing to you so people that like it have a mental issue ?
The bridge, for better or worse, has become a landmark in the city. It's replaced the shot of the Golden Boy as the preeminent image used to advertise the city. "
so let me get this straight... just because YOU and OTHERS think its nice looking... my idea that it is utter bunk.. is dismissed?
Please i am not a sheep... I actually make my own opinions. I will never buy into believing that particular bridge is in anyway, shape or form nice to look at. Its only become a landmark becuase it was built and it is in fact different and we might as well use it since it was built.
I remember when the Disraeli didn't even have a concrete deck. It had those strange metal grates...and telephones, apparently ! Geez , with the noise of the cars and the humming sound the grid made you wouldn't be having too intimate a conversation on the phone if you could hear anything at all ! <br> <br>
<img src=http://www.umanitoba.ca/libraries/units/archives/tribune/photos/ManitobaTelephoneSystem8.jpg><br> <I> Image: U of M Archives & Special Collections, Tribune Photo Collection PC 18/4504/18-3704-026, April 2 1968</I><br> <img src="http://www.umanitoba.ca/libraries/units/archives/tribune/photos/DisraeliBridge1.jpg"><br> <I> Image: U of M Archives & Special Collections, Tribune Photo Collection PC 18/1977/18-1977-005, Sept 1970</I><br>
So is the Louise due up for replacement once the Disraeli gets overhauled?
If so, it will be interesting to see what they do there...it is sort of an illogical location for a bridge (it is a converted rail bridge and not on any major traffic arteries, after all), so it's interesting to see that a new vehicle bridge may go up to replace it. Will it be a single-span 4-lane job, or something else?
I do recall that Centreventure's "Heart of Gold" plan called for a new ped. bridge between McFadyen Park near the Ledge and Fort Rouge Park - I really hope this gets built.
"Geez , with the noise of the cars and the humming sound the grid made you wouldn't be having too intimate a conversation on the phone if you could hear anything at all ! "
I should hope not... weren't the phones for "emergency" services.. ie tow truck and the like? :)
How come society devolved to the point where having emergency phone boxes like that around is no longer a reality?
<blockquote><cite>Posted By: DeanK</cite>weren't the phones for "emergency" services.. ie tow truck and the like? :)</blockquote> Yeah, I guess they probably were. I hope the guy above didn't pull over to call his wife and ask what he's supposed to pick up at the grocery store on his way home lol ;-)
<blockquote><cite>Posted By: cancelbot</cite>So is the Louise due up for replacement once the Disraeli gets overhauled?
If so, it will be interesting to see what they do there...it is sort of an illogical location for a bridge (it is a converted rail bridge and not on any major traffic arteries, after all), so it's interesting to see that a new vehicle bridge may go up to replace it. Will it be a single-span 4-lane job, or something else?
I do recall that Centreventure's "Heart of Gold" plan called for a new ped. bridge between McFadyen Park near the Ledge and Fort Rouge Park - I really hope this gets built.</blockquote>
A McFadyen Park Bridge is still definitely on the wish list. If only someone had a really deep pocket of cash to fund it. Same goes for the Louise Bridge. The new Active Transportation Plan contemplates serious pedestrian and cycling infrastructure on a redeveloped Louise Bridge. The City is still struggling to figure out how to pay for repairs to the Disraeli and hasn't even considered when or how to tackle the next project. However, that's why no real cycling lanes are proposed for Disraeli. Louise Bridge is seen as the better cyling link through Point Douglas... if and when it ever gets redeveloped.