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Winnipeg City Issues & Urban Affairs: Taser Guns Do Not Kill People Who Die After Being Tasered!

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    • CommentAuthorchinger
    • CommentTimeMay 14th 2008
     
    I think Tazers need to be re-purposed.

    Considering they are "safe" (sic) - maybe school teachers and parents should have them on hand for disciplining kids. Think about it.... it's illegal to spank your child when they do something bad. But if you could Taze them, nice and legally. Well, let's just say they'd think twice about stealing cars and lighting fires. Same goes for unruly students. Teachers can't even make physical contact these days. But if little billy got tazed everytime he cracked wise at the teachers expense. He'd think twice.

    Haha. As if I'm serious.
    • CommentAuthorMr. Nobody
    • CommentTimeMay 14th 2008
     
    Jimmy 2, excited delirium was not invented by the Smith boys, they have a habit of copying things.

    Excited delirium was originally coined by medical researchers to describe the extreme end of a continuum of drug abuse effects such as cocaine-induced excited delirium (Ruttenber, McAnally, & WetH, 1999). Even though the American Medical Association does not recognize this diagnosis as a medical or psychiatric condition, the National Association of Medical Examiners has recognized it for more than a decade (Costello, 2003). It is used by medical examiners in most major cities. Thus, there is a great deal of controversy regarding the use of this syndrome to explain sudden death while restrained.

    As for Fibromyalgia, sorry bud, its just now getting the recognition as a term. My sister just got Ontario amd other municipalities in the Metro area to declare May 10th I think as Fibromyalgia day. She suffers from it and it took heaven and earth for her lawyers to get the insurance company to settle.

    Anyhow , I forget the point and i still maintain its a fantastic weapon for police, how they use it, well, thats not the manufacturers problem. Their problem was they called it NON Lethal and have since changed their position to LESS THAN lethal.

    I was just hoping people did the background checks before making statements.
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    "Delerium" has been a term used since the 80's. "Excited Delerium" is a term used by people paid by Taser. Repeat a lie long enough and it becomes the truth...you're a good example of this Mr. N.

    This ain't hard to check...just Google it....
    • CommentAuthorMr. Nobody
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2008
     
    J2, I've listed where the term was used....1999. At that point , Taser was a penny stock with almost Zero sales, let alone medical experts.

    Sorry dude, but "excited Delirium " nicely encapsulates what could be described as a panic attack with drugs in the system or highly agitated individuals with an abundance of natural chemicals coursing through their veins.

    You get panic attacks jimmy ?....i did, let me tell you, it would take alot of force to get me to see things your way in that condition.

    Believe what you like. The courts accept the term, and more people are understanding it....just like Fibromyalgia, a term that nicely encapsualtes a myriad of symptoms and topics.
    • CommentAuthorMr. Nobody
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2008 edited
     
    Here jimmy, read this article, http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3804/is_200307/ai_n9301741

    The point I am making is that restrainind someone in a condition of excited delibrium may cause death. It's been known and the Taser boys glommed onto it. If Tasers medical experts came up with the term, as you imply, , good for them, the condition needed a term because it happens even when Tasers aren't used..


    You mayu enjopy readin this one Jimmy. I like this kaufman charcter.

    http://search.clevescene.com/1999-07-15/news/i-stun-the-body-electric/2
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    Today's Globe and Mail, has an interesting article, where a "respected" police psychologist, Mike Webster said "I'm embarrassed to be associated with organizations that taser sick old men in hospital beds and confused immigrants who are arriving in the country".
    This has got to do with the Vancouver inquiry to Robert Dziekanski's death.
    Webster has worked with the RCMP for more than 20 years, and had reported to the media, when interviewed, that he thought it was a disgraceful display of policing.
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      CommentAuthorJimmytufish
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2008 edited
     
    Mr. N. You're just perpetuating the myth that ED is an acceptable medical term. It isn't. It is not a cause of death as some have suggested...(the ones paid by Taser).

    It is becoming apparent that the crap Taser has been saying is unravelling.

    BTW, Mary Paquette is not a medical doctor. She's a psychotherapist...hardly an expert....but I'm sure Taser knows that :)
    • CommentAuthorMr. Nobody
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2008
     
    I'm not perpetuating anything. The term has found its way into the vernacular as fibromyalgia has. Its only a matter of time before its accepted by the medical orginizations.

    There is no myth surrounding the possibility that you may die if you are restrained and are in an excited state produced by natural or ingested drugs and are highly agitated. Ask anyone whi is claustorphobic or is prone to panic attacks. You can call it half a dozen things or bring it under an umbrella ella ella ella .

    Again don't ignore this statement , I didn't make it up

    Even though the American Medical Association does not recognize this diagnosis as a medical or psychiatric condition, the National Association of Medical Examiners has recognized it for more than a decade (Costello, 2003).
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    The myth is that there is a legitimate condition called "Excited Delerium". It's made up by Taser.
    • CommentAuthorMonominto
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2008
     
    Just another example of "spin doctoring" their way out of responsibility?
    • CommentAuthorMr. Nobody
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2008
     
    Prove it. Find me one article that says TASER made up the term EXCITED DELIURIUM. They've used, sure, exploited it , sure. Courts have agreed with them. But show me where they invented the term. Ever since i have followed the company in late 90's, I can find anywhere where the Smiths came out and said...this condition, we at Taser call Excited Delibrium.

    Like I said, its a great term an dis being used more and more.

    But here, believe what you like

    To be sure, it's not a disease invented by the RCMP. In fact, they are late to the adoption of "excited delirium" as a condition. As early as 1849, Dr. Luther Bell described the inexplicable sudden death of psychotic patients as "acute exhaustive mania," while Dr. Charles Wetli coined the term "excited delirium" in 1985 to explain sudden death in recreational cocaine users.

    here's the whole article, especially significant is the point that although the medical industry doesn't recognize something , it doesn't mean it does not exist.....hope this settles the issue

    http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/178/6/669
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    I don't think you have been following this story very closely.

    You will see that Taser has been paying people to go around and testify on their behalf since the law suits started. These are the "experts" you quote most often.

    Offering people that disagree with Taser to pay for "studies" should set off alarm bells. In my books, that called a bribe.
    Thankful People: StBPegger
    • CommentAuthorMr. Nobody
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2008
     
    Jeez, what more do you need, do I have to come downthere and Bova you.

    I followed Taser close enough to say your statement is unproven. Now you want to talk about bribes, sure, Bernie Keric sound familiar. Or Arizona passing a law that only stun weapons that release confetti can be purchased. Sorry jimmy that goes on everywhere. Which explains why BAE is winning billions of contracts in the US while it is under fire by the Birts for bribing arabs and politicians to sell armaments. But really ...bribes...come on, do better.

    I gave you a definitive use of the term. Give me one back to supercede it.
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      CommentAuthorStBPegger
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2008
     
    Kinda like how the cigarette companies paid scientists to back them up too, right JTF?

    Don't worry, some folks just take a while to open their eyes to truth.
    Thankful People: Jimmytufish
    • CommentAuthorDeanK
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2008
     
    okay... here is the bottom line.

    If I am tazed in the chest.. lets say my chances of dieing are 5%.

    If i am shot in the chest... chances of dieing... a hell of a lot higher.

    So.. as long as TaZers are used properly under the proper guidelines they are a very good thing...

    ( not that I think I will ever be shot in the chest with either....... )
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    Heh...when was the term 'excited delerium' first used in court?

    (Answer. When Taser was sued.)

    Who coined the term as a cause of death?

    (Answer, A pathologist that was paid by Taser.)

    Are the experts starting to look at the term and question it?

    (Answer. You betcha!)
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    Posted By: DeanKokay... here is the bottom line.

    If I am tazed in the chest.. lets say my chances of dieing are 5%.

    If i am shot in the chest... chances of dieing... a hell of a lot higher.

    So.. as long as TaZers are used properly under the proper guidelines they are a very good thing...

    ( not that I think I will ever be shot in the chest with either....... )
    Bullshit.

    Making up numbers (5%) is what Taser does.
    • CommentAuthorDeanK
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2008
     
    nah Tazer says that it dont kill anyone..

    lets even say that 25% of people tazed in chest died instantly..
    still better then the 75% of a gun shot
    • CommentAuthorMr. Nobody
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2008
     
    So you are saying Dr. Charles Wetli was on Tasers payroll in 1985......I think we have some bulllahit going there Jimmy.

    You haven't proven your statement. Again, here's me proof of where the term came from.

    Dr. Charles Wetli coined the term "excited delirium" in 1985 to explain sudden death in recreational cocaine users.
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    The taser shouldn't be shot at the heart area, as that can cause the heart to go into cardiac arrest! That is what was said at the inquiry! Wasn't Dzienski hit in the back? I vaguely remember that he had his back to the RCMP, and his hands up!

    That is why he was such a threat in their initial report! The RCMP didn't know what to do when a person had his back to them!!

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