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1. • CommentAuthorDeanK
   • CommentTimeJul 24th 2008

    
   and umm... how the heck could there be no video? didn't this happen in the backlane closest to the Virology lab?
   
   ie one of the most secure and monitored buildings in the city?
2. • CommentAuthorEastSider
   • CommentTimeJul 24th 2008

    
   Good point Dean! I remember an incident from the recent past, can't recall details but I believe it was those same cameras that caught the incident.
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     CommentAuthorZwikster
   • CommentTimeJul 24th 2008

    
   just like why on 9/11 no video is released of the plane hiting the Pentagon ...who know, the most secure building in the WORLD!!
4. • CommentAuthortrebor204
   • CommentTimeJul 24th 2008

    
   If I recall, a young girl was abducted (?) coming home from a friends place at 3 the morning.
   The cameras manage to a catch the vechile involved, and an arrest was made later.
5. • CommentAuthorMonominto
   • CommentTimeJul 24th 2008

    
   Now I hear that the Chief of Police has asked for an autopsy to be performed on the 17 yr old to find out the "cause of death"????
   
   HEAR THIS Chief!! The Freaking Taser Killed Him!!!
   
   Give it up McKaskill!! you are incompetent!
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     CommentAuthorgrumpy old man
   • CommentTimeJul 24th 2008

    
   An autopsy is automatic. It has already been performed. I assume that since they have not announced what killed him is due to the fact that the physical evidence does not provide the answer. Perhaps it has something to do with drugs. Don't know fer sure but that is my guess.
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     CommentAuthorNorthlands
   • CommentTimeJul 24th 2008

    
   <blockquote><cite>Posted By: Zwikster</cite>just like why on 9/11 no video is released of the plane hiting the Pentagon ...who know, the most secure building in the WORLD!!</blockquote>
   
   http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4987716.stm
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     CommentAuthorNorthlands
   • CommentTimeJul 24th 2008 edited

    

   Posted By: MonomintoNow I hear that the Chief of Police has asked for an autopsy to be performed on the 17 yr old to find out the "cause of death"????
   
   HEAR THIS Chief!! The Freaking Taser Killed Him!!!
   
   Give it up McKaskill!! you are incompetent!

   
   
   Uh yeah, but since tasers don't kill 100% of their victims, it might, just might be prudent to see if there were other contributing factors to the death.
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     CommentAuthorgrumpy old man
   • CommentTimeJul 24th 2008 edited

    
   Some observations on what I've read and heard...
   
   The young man had three arrests (convictions?) for public intoxication. He was not on the car theft watch list and had no contact with the police in that regard.
   
   In this case he was not being pursued for attempted car theft. Rather he had broken into a car and stolen something. This the police have confirmed.
   
   This fella was known to carry a knife (his mother said he was small so he had to have a way to defend himself)...
   
   I've seen his photograph. There is NO way on God's green earth this was racially motivated.
10. • CommentAuthorFreethinker
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2008

     

    Posted By: Northlands

    Posted By: Zwiksterjust like why on 9/11 no video is released of the plane hiting the Pentagon ...who know, the most secure building in the WORLD!!

    
    
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4987716.stm

    
    
    Completely off thread, but I guess we can't believe everything that the truthers come up with.
11. • CommentAuthorFreethinker
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2008

     

    Posted By: grumpy old manSome observations on what I've read and heard...
    
    The young man had three arrests (convictions?) for public intoxication. He was not on the car theft watch list and had no contact with the police in that regard.
    
    In this case he was not being pursued for attempted car theft. Rather he had broken into a car and stolen something. This the police have confirmed.
    
    This fella was known to carry a knife (his mother said he was small so he had to have a way to defend himself)...
    
    I've seen his photograph. There is NO way on God's green earth this was racially motivated.

    
    
    Good comments, but if it wasn't for speculation, some people wouldn't have anything to post on these threads.
12. • CommentAuthornorthender
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2008 edited

     
    I think the racially -motivated comments are related to the tasering itself. The question is are cops more likely to use a taser on an aboriginal person or others of colour. I don't know the answer, but statistics would easily provide the answer.
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      CommentAuthorJimmytufish
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2008

     
    Well, if more people from a certain demographic commit crimes, the police will come into contact with them more often. It's almost a "given" statistic.

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14. • CommentAuthornorthender
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2008 edited

     
    You would think. I gather the young woman "girl" tasered in the Selkirk RCMP lockup, also featured in the Freep today, is a white girl. If she was aboriginal, it would have said. I think the question is the use of force. Is it excessive or not.
    
    Tasers should be used as lethal weapons. If the cops had good reason to use the taser to defend themselves, then that's what they are for. But it's hard to see why a bunch of RCMP officees would need to use a taser on a 16-year-old girl in lockup. That doesn't quite make the cut, IMO.
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      CommentAuthorgrumpy old man
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2008 edited

     
    I don't know if research has been done on police use of force. In the days before tasers there was physical force, batons, pepper spray... Are there statistics to show how many bad guys restrained by baton died? Permanently hurt (a blow to the head might do significant damage)? How many police officers where injured or killed due to the close proximity and combat?
    
    Personally I'd like to see fewer deaths from tasering, but it is very effective and I'm willing to bet it save death and injury of police officers involved.
16. • CommentAuthorFreethinker
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2008

     
    It was not that long ago that policemen were recruited from the ranks of the big and burly. You had to be over 6 ft to even be considered. As those standards have evolved, we have smaller frame cops on the street. If you got stupid with a cop, you got a whack from a solid oak nightstick. In our more politically correct environment, physical altercation is less accepted, so we must provide the police with the tools to handle the situation.
    
    Why not wait to see what the actual cause of death is before too much more speculation goes on?
    
    As far as the racial profiling, I can almost excuse the parents for making these types of comments, as they have a shitload of grief to handle, but now its coming from organizations, what crap.
17. • CommentAuthorLive_wire_ca
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2008

     
    when in doubt blame it on racism... isn't that winnipeg's motto?
18. • CommentAuthorLive_wire_ca
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2008

     
    The way I see this situation is like this. If a person is yielding a weapon and doesn't not listen to the police request to put it down, they stand a good chance of being shot. The fact that he was tasered is a nice way of giving the guy a chance at surviving the orderal. You just don't mess with the cops in situations like that... I don't know what it is with people... if you have a weapon and you don't comply, you could die. If given the choice I'd take my chances with the tazer rather than a bullet. But if there is so much controversy over the use of the tazer guns, lets get rid of them then. In this can, it's is likely would have been reading about a guy being shot. Sure they are statics to show tazers are drawn more then guns... but how does it compare to baton use. Like it's been mentioned earlier, the intent is to provide a safe distant from the weapon yielding criminal and to disable them in a relatively safe manner.
    I say zap first and ask later... and let natural selection take care of the rest.
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      CommentAuthorJimmytufish
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2008

     
    Ya had me up to the last sentence.
    
    IMO, there's a need for a weapon like the taser. But it should not be used indiscriminately.
20. • CommentAuthorMiz point
    • CommentTimeJul 25th 2008

     
    GOM posited that the young man felt a need to carry a knife due to his smaller stature. How many of us on this board feel compelled to carry a weapon due to whatever factors? I can say for myself that in all of my years walking home late from work or teh U of W in dodgy areas and as a woman, mind you not short or timid, that not once did I ever feel the need to carry a weapon. As we can now see the brandishing of any weapon escalates an already potentially volatile situation.