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    Posted By: rosencrentzGrumpy old man- please do not use my name in vain
    Heh heh...
    • CommentAuthorDeanK
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2008
     
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    Posted By: DeanKin the last 30 days she has had more visits and more phone calls then most prisoners in canada are allowed to recieve in a year. so other then being in jail ..whats her major malfunction again?..she does understand she is much better off being in a Mexican prison then a canadian one right?


    Surely in jest you state this "

    at first she possibly was treated by her standards "unfairly".. now? please .. she is living like a "queen"
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      CommentAuthorjim
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2008
     
    And have you seen this for your own eyes, cause when my nephew was in stoney he phoned home every day gambled and played cards . Had a holiday so Our versions of queen and king are different. Dean sure the media plays it up but also politics is involved face saving .
    • CommentAuthorhbob
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2008
     
    I think there are some posters here who are naive about how some things are done in Mexico. And what prison is like there. I have a friend who was incarcerated there back in the '80s. It ain't pretty.

    That said, this thing has certainly turned into a circus. I just hope some good comes out of it in the end.
    Thankful People: jim
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    If a Mexican national was being held in a Canadian jail would we just let them go because the Mexicans told us to? No we wouldn't. We would tell them to keep out of our internal affairs.

    One thing to consider here, maybe she's guilty. I'm sure a lot of people in Canadian jails are shouting their innocence and we don't just let them out.
    • CommentAuthorhbob
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2008
     
    Posted By: Grumpy_Old_GuyIf a Mexican national was being held in a Canadian jail would we just let them go because the Mexicans told us to? No we wouldn't. We would tell them to keep out of our internal affairs.

    One thing to consider here, maybe she's guilty. I'm sure a lot of people in Canadian jails are shouting their innocence and we don't just let them out.


    Was this directed at me? If so, please point out where i said they should just let her go. And where did i say she wasn't guilty?

    Read over the 2 threads on this topic. Most of the commentary is on the "don't trust consulate" thread. Seems most here have decided that she must be guilty, and besides, she's in another country and just has to deal with how things are done there. I pointed out that the woman was entitled to services from our consulate there - and this after some others decided that she must be guilty because what cook gets paid $26k per year in Mexico? (J2f - if this was your daughter somehow in a similar situation, i doubt you'd be as cavalier about it). There were other comments about how she must be guilty, because otherwise she would have been released by now - that's canadian thinking.

    I'll say it again - it seems to me that many here are unfamiliar with Mexico and how "business" is done, and how the police and judiciary operate. I posted a link with 2 excerpts from the vancouver sun that illustrate this and that just resulted in more cynical comments. I doubt the rest even checked the link.

    I don't know whether she's guilty or not, and it's beside the point anyway. Just like the fact that she appears rather spinny. I'd be too if i was in her situation. She was let down by our consulate and government and is sitting there 2 years later as a result. Now it's turned into a silly political football and a lot of bogus CYA's (covering your ass).

    Bottom line - this sort of thing could happen to anyone if the wrong sets of circumstances collide. Another thought - wonder what the response might be if the woman happened to be a Winnipegger?
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    Posted By: hbobWas this directed at me? If so, please point out where i said they should just let her go. And where did i say she wasn't guilty?


    Not directed at you at all. Simply my opinion on this case.
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    Posted By: hbob...that's canadian thinking.
    With all due respect, that's... horsesh1t.
    Posted By: hbobShe was let down by our consulate and government and is sitting there 2 years later as a result.
    As I read more and more about this situation I more and more don't believe that. The latest stats reported (somewhere) indicate this woman has had over 100 contacts with an official. It does not sound like she has been let down.
    Posted By: hbobBottom line - this sort of thing could happen to anyone if the wrong sets of circumstances collide. Another thought - wonder what the response might be if the woman happened to be a Winnipegger?
    There was a fella (Kevin Hiebert) that broke some laws (a little smuggling) in Greece. There was an incredibly passionate debate about his and his family and friends desire for him to complete his sentence in Winnipeg. Pretty much little sympathy for him as well.

    http://www.winnipegfreepress2.com/blogs/mcintyre/?p=367
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      CommentAuthormrchristian
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2008 edited
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: Grumpy_Old_Guy</cite>If a Mexican national was being held in a Canadian jail would we just let them go because the Mexicans told us to? No we wouldn't. We would tell them to keep out of our internal affairs.</blockquote> <br>
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    Exaclty. <br>
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    She seems to be saying that they should just let her go because she wants to go which, ummm, isn't the way it works in any country. <br>
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    She's had: a diplomatic note to the Ambassador; a visit from a former PM; a call between the DFAIT Minister to a senior couterpart in Mexico to plead her case; a visit from a current government Minister. That culminated in an interview with the judge on national television saying that he is aware of the sensitivities of the case and Mexico's "DFAIT" claiming that the trial will be expedited.....Wow. That is way over and above what pretty much any foreign national would get from any government over and above the usual diplomatic visits (except maybe Aung San Suu Kyi). Yet, she's claiming (by phone to a Canadian media outlet she seems to have regular access to) that it's nothing more than "political showmanship" on everyone's part and not good enough ?! Well, aside from the above, the only other options are send in troops to attack and airlift her out (not gonna happen) and Mexico just letting her go because she really wants out (not gonna happen).<br>
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    If i were her friends and family I would beg CTV NOT to let her on TV anymore. She's hurting herself.<br>
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    BTW I am not of the view that she's having a great time down there. I am sure it's not pretty where she is but that is a consideration when you move somewhere overseas.
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    The irony is that the first complaints was that no one in government was doing anything, so she's now had visits by members of the government and she's complaining that its political showmanship. Exactly what is she expecting?

    It would be interesting to know how many Canadian nationals are being held in foreign prisons, either awaiting due process by the sovereign state they are in, or serving sentences imposed by the sovereign state they are in. Is the PM supposed to book out the Challenger jet and make a tour of foregin jails holding Canadian? This is crap and now that she has the attention of the media, she's taking it for all its worth.
    • CommentAuthorhbob
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2008
     
    MrC - all that stuff has occurred AFTER this story was reported on W5. She had already been incarcerated for 22 months! Once it hit the media, of course govt officials started falling all over themselves, including the silliest of all, a visit from Paul Martin.

    Again, i never said they should let her go. I have said that she was treated shabbily by our consulate and govt. There's a big difference, n'est-ce pas?

    I look forward to the post mortem where the actual facts, and the posturing on both sides, will come to light.
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    Posted By: hbobMrC - all that stuff has occurred AFTER this story was reported on W5. She had already been incarcerated for 22 months! Once it hit the media, of course govt officials started falling all over themselves, including the silliest of all, a visit from Paul Martin.

    Again, i never said they should let her go. I have said that she was treated shabbily by our consulate and govt. There's a big difference, n'est-ce pas?

    I look forward to the post mortem where the actual facts, and the posturing on both sides, will come to light.


    What government is Paul Martin part of?
    • CommentAuthorhbob
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2008
     
    Posted By: hbob
    She was let down by our consulate and government and is sitting there 2 years later as a result.

    As I read more and more about this situation I more and more don't believe that. The latest stats reported (somewhere) indicate this woman has had over 100 contacts with an official. It does not sound like she has been let down.


    Do you really believe she had 100 "contacts" (whatever that is) by an official if the minister for consular services Helena Guergis didn't know anything about her. For a bright guy who's been around for awhile, you have a lot of faith in government officials, especially when they're harranged by the media.

    Anyway, i just look forward to the post mortem, since nobody except those directly involved knows how this has all really played out.
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    Who should I believe hbob? I do take certain things with a grain of salt and so much information and misinformation has been thrown around on this issue it becomes more and more difficult to filter out the truths and the hyperbole. But yes, generally I have faith in the government and consulate doing their jobs. Crikey, that is what the consulate does. They look after Canadians abroad. Why would they completely ignore this woman for a year?

    I tend to use a common sense test. Her complaints that she was ignored simply is not believable.
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    If I am not mistaken, she is charged with money-laundering, because there was a $60,000 lump sum that went through her bank account. Wasn't that somewhere in all of these reports?
    The Mexcans take money laundering very serious acording to the "judge".
    I sure would like to know what has happened during the last 2 years, but the TV station probably did not bother to put up that timeline. The judge , who was interviewed , said Ms. Martin had been in front of him about 6 times. Who can you believe? The judge, it was reported, said, because , everything had to be translated, it has slowed down the proceedings, that a case like this would normally take about a year.
    Remember that if we are reading a report , or watching a program, or an interview with Mexican authorities, we are getting a slanted report.

    Check on stastistics on Iraqi civilian deaths- U.S. govt. appx 80,000, other media up to 800,000, George Bush- 75.
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      CommentAuthorjimj_wpg
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2008
     
    <blockquote>Brenda Martin begs for life from Mexico prison</blockquote>

    Let her eat cake.
    • CommentAuthorEastSider
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2008
     
    I've been backing her 100% because I know a little bit about Mexican law and how it operates. But I must admit my pendulum swung in the other direction when I heard her demand of the Prime Minister to help her, plead and implore yes, demanding is a whole nother ballgame.
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    Posted By: hbob
    ... and this after some others decided that she must be guilty because what cook gets paid $26k per year in Mexico? (J2f - if this was your daughter somehow in a similar situation, i doubt you'd be as cavalier about it).

    I never said she was guilty. I did question a couple of things in her story and that was one of them, and I still think this part stinks. To be paid $25K a year as a cook is ridiculous, and to be given a year's pay as severance is equally ridiculous. It makes no sense and makes me think she is full of shit and up to her eyeballs in the scam. However, some still believe OJ didn't butcher Nicole...that's their right, but I don't respect their judgement, and that's my right.

    She said no one from the consulate had spoken to her, which has proven to be less than accurate. When the government says there was 100 calls/visits on this matter, I believe them. That's something that can be verified, so I don't think the consular staff is pulling this stuff out of their ass. But, I'm now starting to believe that almost everything coming out of Martin is coming right out of her ass.

    I sure don't know if she is innocent or not, but her story is starting to make me think that the liklihood of her innocence is remote, but again, it's not my call.
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    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: Freethinker</cite>What government is Paul Martin part of?</blockquote>
    Martin was a former PM and Finance Minister for 10 years. In diplomatic circles that carries something, similar to a former president.
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    Not in Canada it doesn't. In Canada "former PM" means "who cares", except when the Liberals want to make noise to distract from their own troubles...:)

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