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    • CommentAuthorDeanK
    • CommentTimeMar 18th 2008
     
    oh hell yeah... often the trial will simply start so that it is introduced.. and then with all the motions and what not it is almost a year before it is done.
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      CommentAuthorSputnik
    • CommentTimeMar 18th 2008
     
    Is Brenda Martin really "dieing" in the Mexican prison or is she just planning on killing herself?

    You would think that if the conditions we so poor that her health were truly in danger that the government would step in quicker.
    • CommentAuthorDeanK
    • CommentTimeMar 18th 2008
     
    no she is not dieing... the beg for her life comes from she has threatened to kill herself if she is not released...

    Why that sounds reasonable to me.. we should let everyone out of jail that threatens to kill themselves if they are not let go.
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    • CommentAuthorrosencrentz
    • CommentTimeMar 18th 2008 edited
     
    DeanK- I think Dion just announced that as a private members bill!!

    My Mexican sources tell me that this whole issue was over the fact that Ms. martin took a cooking job away from some 60 year old Mexican, thereby infuriating the Mexicans and J2F !!
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    If she is threatening to do herself in, then perhaps she should be put in an mental institution for her own protection. Anyone know what the conditions are like the Mexican nuthouses?
    • CommentAuthorDeanK
    • CommentTimeMar 18th 2008
     
    best guess?? far worse then the jails
    • CommentAuthorDeanK
    • CommentTimeMar 18th 2008
     
    no idea why we have two ACTIVE conversations on this topic...

    anyhoo..

    Mexico responds.
    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/mexico_cda_prisoner

    The Mexican government is defending the "autonomy and independence" of its courts as international pressure mounts to free a Canadian woman imprisoned for more than two years.....
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    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: DeanK</cite>The Mexican government is defending the "autonomy and independence" of its courts as international pressure mounts to free a Canadian woman imprisoned for more than two years.....</blockquote>How would you respond with rosencrentz all over you?
    • CommentAuthorhbob
    • CommentTimeMar 18th 2008
     
    <blockquote>EDMONTON - The Canadian woman who has been imprisoned in Mexico for more than two years was illegally arrested and detained and could have been freed within 72 hours had Canada's consulate done its job, says a senior federal Mexican justice official.

    The initial failure by the consulate to properly represent Brenda Martin was followed by a series of procedural blunders by Mexico's attorney general's department and a succession of inept and corrupt Mexican defence lawyers. The result is a legal mess so tangled that the only quick way out of prison for Martin is through a presidential decree or if she pleads guilty to a criminal charge and is extradited, said the federal official, who requested anonymity for fear of being fired.

    "I don't think they intentionally want to find her guilty but her case has been so fouled up that that is now the only ruling they can make in her criminal case," the official said today through a translator. But he said the Mexicans are anxious to rid themselves of Martin and the negative publicity for the country her case has generated.</blockquote>

    <blockquote>The official said that when Martin was arrested on Feb. 17, 2006, the Mexican authorities were immediately required by law to notify three parties: the court and the PGR (attorney general's office), Mexican human rights and the Canadian consulate.

    "That was not done and so it was an illegal detention," the official said. "Had she had a half-decent lawyer he would have walked in within 72 hours and got her out."

    An American woman, Rebecca Roth, was arrested at the same time as Martin, but the service provided by the consulates varied greatly.

    "The U.S. person was provided with legal advice, a private lawyer instead of a public defender and a qualified translator.

    "Brenda Martin failed to receive any of this from the Canadian consulate. The inaction of the Canadian consulate contributed to the problem."

    Martin eventually hired a lawyer from a list provided by the Canadian consulate. He turned out to be a "mercantile" lawyer, rather than a criminal defence lawyer. Family in Canada and friends in Puerto Vallarta raised $10,000 to pay the lawyer who promptly disappeared with the money and did nothing for Martin.</blockquote>

    http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=5873eb14-f6e1-4ee0-b016-4c71860302ca&k=80756

    More information in article. So it appears that this woman was, indeed, jerked around by the mexican and canadian govts as well as the judicial system and lawyers. Pays not to jump to conclusions.
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    Well, if the press reports it, thats the way it must have happened.
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      CommentAuthorjim
    • CommentTimeMar 18th 2008
     
    Why did she have to threaten to kill herself to get our goverments attention?
    • CommentAuthorhbob
    • CommentTimeMar 18th 2008
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: Freethinker</cite>Well, if the press reports it, thats the way it must have happened.</blockquote>

    That doesn't make any sense. Did you bother to read the link?
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      CommentAuthorjimj_wpg
    • CommentTimeMar 18th 2008
     
    What's the reason for Ms. Martin's shorty hair? Has she got cancer? Or is she one of "those" weird people.
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      CommentAuthorjimj_wpg
    • CommentTimeMar 18th 2008 edited
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted by: DeanK</cite>no she is not dieing... the beg for her life comes from she has threatened to kill herself if she is not released...</blockquote>

    And that's just it.

    Women only <b>threaten</b> suicide, while it is more likely that if a man threatens to kills himself through suicide, he is more likely going to carry it out.
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    Next time, Martin should become an American citizen before getting arrested in Mexico.
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    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: hbob</cite><blockquote><cite>Posted By: Freethinker</cite>Well, if the press reports it, thats the way it must have happened.</blockquote>

    That doesn't make any sense. Did you bother to read the link?</blockquote>

    You mean the article that quotes an un-named high ranking Mexican justice official who basically says that it would have been dealt with if she just paid the bribe to begin with. Yup, read it. As I said, if the press says so, it must be true.
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    Seems Ms Martin's attitude has changed. From what I heard, she is now demanding that Stephen Harper do something about her plight. What happened to the begging thing?
    • CommentAuthorDeanK
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2008
     
    in the last 30 days she has had more visits and more phone calls then most prisoners in canada are allowed to recieve in a year. so other then being in jail ..whats her major malfunction again?..she does understand she is much better off being in a Mexican prison then a canadian one right?
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    Grumpy old man- please do not use my name in vain
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      CommentAuthorjim
    • CommentTimeMar 21st 2008
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: DeanK</cite>in the last 30 days she has had more visits and more phone calls then most prisoners in canada are allowed to recieve in a year. so other then being in jail ..whats her major malfunction again?..she does understand she is much better off being in a Mexican prison then a canadian one right?</blockquote>

    Surely in jest you state this