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      CommentAuthorjim
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2008
     
    The Goverment of this land has fallen down a notch with this one .
    • CommentAuthorrosencrentz
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2008 edited
     
    This is what has been done for the record, according to Helena Guergis, M.P.-Martin was charged with fraud feb 24/08, consular officials have been in contact over 75 times, either in person or on the phone,insisted that she receive regular medical attention, access to communications,raised her case numerous times (Mexican government,President of Mexico, Attorney General,Human Rights Commission, 13 other federal, state and local officials)
    "Mexico is a sovereign country"

    As a last ditch attempt we sent her uncle "paul Martin" down to try and bore the Mexicans to death! This also has not worked!
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    Hey, is Paul Martin really her uncle or are you just pulling my chain?? Doesn't matter, we can just play that one up. Tomorrow's headline "Niece of former PM charged in international fraud conspiracy". God, I'm in the wrong profession, I ought to be in the media.

    I understand that Mexico is contemplating releasing her, as long as Harper doesn't allow Paul Martin to leave Canada.
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      CommentAuthorTriniman
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2008
     
    I think if we threaten to send Stephane Dion, she will be released instantly.
    Thankful People: Jimmytufish, Freethinker
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    If we sent Jack Layton, they'd probably lock him up. I'll buy his ticket.
    Thankful People: Goth_chic, Jimmytufish, Triniman
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    Posted By: jimThe Goverment of this land has fallen down a notch with this one .
    Maybe in your opinion.

    IMHO, there are a lot of people that are making judgements based on shit.

    The level of intelligence in this country has fallen down a notch with this one as far as I'm concerned.;)
    Thankful People: mrchristian
    • CommentAuthorrosencrentz
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2008 edited
     
    Pulling your chain is the correct answer!!
    Front page 1 in today's National Post- article blasting Mexico, blasting "ineffectual Guergis", and the file being moved to the heavy hitter Maxime Bernier, of Foreign Affairs! So typical, if you want anything accomplished take it away from the pretty girlie, and give it to a MAN!!
    The writer John Ivison blasts the Liberals as well as the Conservatives!
    The bad news is the legal argument on a constiutional cgallenge called an amparo, has been denied, the good news is the deputy attorney general of Mexico,Jose Luis Santiago Vasconcelos, met with Ms. Martin on Monday to tell her that. Canada's consul-general Robin Dubeau acted as interpretor at the meeting. Of course there was no lawyer there for Ms. Martin- there was no need for one?
    The good news is that the Mexican judge is ready to render a verdict. Interesting because there has been no trial!! Don't you love the way they do things down there??
    Thankful People: jim
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    Who says there has been no trial? Her trial has been going on for two years.
    • CommentAuthorhbob
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2008
     
    Posted By: JimmytufishWho says there has been no trial? Her trial has been going on for two years.


    That's right, since Mexican law dictates you're guilty until proven innocent. And no, there's no requirement to try a person anytime soon. So you can just sit in jail for a long time while nothing happens.

    Bottom line - you don't want to find yourself in jail in Mexico.
    Thankful People: Jimmytufish
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    It is a horrible situation, I agree: "Bottom line - you don't want to find yourself in jail in Mexico" <br>
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    People here, though, can take 2 years to go through a trial and if they're considered a flight risk will sit in jail / remand.<br>
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    There is still just so much an embassy can do. if Mexico feels strongly enough about possible guilt that they're not just going to let her walk away they're doing the exact same thing that we would would do in teh same situation if a Mexican would here. Allow access to consular officials, political representatives but, at the end of the day, there is so much an embassy can do.
    • CommentAuthorhbob
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2008
     
    Posted By: mrchristianIt is a horrible situation, I agree: "Bottom line - you don't want to find yourself in jail in Mexico"

    People here, though, can take 2 years to go through a trial and if they're considered a flight risk will sit in jail / remand.

    There is still just so much an embassy can do. if Mexico feels strongly enough about possible guilt that they're not just going to let her walk away they're doing the exact same thing that we would would do in teh same situation if a Mexican would here. Allow access to consular officials, political representatives but, at the end of the day, there is so much an embassy can do.


    I agree with what you're saying MrC. However, i'm just making the point that it doesn't really what got you into a mexican jail or what your circumstance is. You can be left sitting there and potentially await trial forever. Their system works differently.
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    True, but it is the system. Some countries have a "swift" justice system where you could be tried and beheaded or stoned to death in a matter of days. Despite diplomatic attempts Canada wouldn't speed up or do away with a judge and jury "due process" system for a foreign national on trial here o matter how much pleading took place.
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    I love the part where the Mexican attorney general tells Ms. Martin not to appeal the denial of her violation of her constitutional grounds claim, as it will keep her in jail another 5 months.Good advise from the man who was responsible for your being locked up??
    At least in Canada when you are held without bail you get triple time credit.
    It reminds me when I spent an extra 2 days in the lock-up remand centre, (I was innocent, I swear it) I sued and collected about a $1000. I would go in again on Friday night and come out on Monday, if I could get a $1000.
    There were such nice guys in there, all 16 were innocent, according to the people staying there! It says much about our bad system that the local police would have all the innocent people in the same section!!
    The only one that we thought that was lying about his innocence, was the Black guy, from Toronto, who paid cash for a flight to Toronto, and whose luggage was loaded with dope! For some reason the airport authorities did not believe him, when he said the luggage was not his!! I do not know of anyone who would lie about his luggage!!
    • CommentAuthorhbob
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2008
     
    Posted By: mrchristianTrue, but it is the system. Some countries have a "swift" justice system where you could be tried and beheaded or stoned to death in a matter of days. Despite diplomatic attempts Canada wouldn't speed up or do away with a judge and jury "due process" system for a foreign national on trial here o matter how much pleading took place.


    I'm not necessarily referring to this particular case. I'm just making the point that a person can be in for real trouble if they end up in a mexican jail for whatever reason.
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      CommentAuthormrchristian
    • CommentTimeMar 16th 2008 edited
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: hbob</cite><blockquote><cite>Posted By: mrchristian</cite>True, but it is the system. Some countries have a "swift" justice system where you could be tried and beheaded or stoned to death in a matter of days. Despite diplomatic attempts Canada wouldn't speed up or do away with a judge and jury "due process" system for a foreign national on trial here o matter how much pleading took place.</blockquote>

    I'm not necessarily referring to this particular case. I'm just making the point that a person can be in for real trouble if they end up in a mexican jail for whatever reason.</blockquote><br>
    <br>We agree on that point.
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    Posted By: rosencrentzThe problem, if you need it explained, is a system that assumes guilt , talks to you in a foreign language,without the aid of a lawyer, and does not allow you to be treated as a human being(compared to our system).
    We may complain about our lax system, but I (bleeding heart), would rather the system err on the side of humanity, except in a few cases!!

    I love the blurb in Saturdays paper, where the Attorney General of mexico advises Ms. Martin not to appeal the denial of her lawyer's appeal called an "ampero", with our consulate there to translate, and NO LAWYER PRESENT!!
    Well tomorrow our Minister of Foreign Affairs, who has taken over is having a meeting with some Mexican!!
    The point of the matter is that Ms. Martin is not being singled out!! This is the way the Mexican legal system works!!
    I personally think that all foreigners get what they deserve, because they are there for cheap holidays!!
    When you factor in the $500-$2000 bribe that you may have to pay if you get caught in one of their police "accident" investigation scams, then it is not so "cheap".
    Better to go to the U.S.- oops not so cheap anymore! How about Cuba- yes and bring me back some $3 hand rolled cigars!!

    Foreign language rosencrentz? It is only foreign to the accused. Why do you compare it to our system? She made a conscious decision to move to that country to work. So she must have been fully conversant with their system in their country.

    I honest to God don't get it when people think that foreign counties should treat foreigners to a different standard? What obligation does any other country have to do things our way?
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    The standards of our justice system are very impresssive compared to so many other countries! That is my point! What Ms. Martin is getting, is , I believe the standard that is in Mexico! If she signed a confession, written in Spanish, that she did not understand, then I think she is getting what she deserves!!
    We do not need any stupid, old baba, back in Canada! She is getting what she deserves!!
    I have changed my mind on the issue!!
    She left our cold climate, took a Mexican's job, as a cook, and to hell with her, boo-hooing her stay in jail!!
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    This morning on the CBC news the Judge in Mexico is interviewed, and he sounds sane! He said that if translations weren't needed the case would take about a year. Ms. Martin has been before him on about 6 occasions.
    That is the part that I do not understand, because here once a trial starts it goes till it is finished!
    The comments on TV and in the papers have been blasting the Conservatives and the Liberals, and we aren't told half of what is going on!
    So I put up some other negative crap , that our Conservative government does not know what it is doing, and all the time they are doing what they can legally!
    CTV is full of half reports and I see that was done to MAKE a STORY!! Embellish it, half-truths, and shame on me and shame on you!!
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      CommentAuthorTriniman
    • CommentTimeMar 18th 2008
     
    Harper calls Mexican president to discuss case of jailed Brenda Martin
    http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5gsvLLOWEzIbNe5mLcuONzca8tGDA

    Depending on your perspective, you could say that Harper has intervened as requested or that this was just the system doing its thing. I did think that the PMO's was quietly doing something. Jason Kenney, minister for multiculturalism (!) is being dispatched to Mexico and the Foreign Affairs minister, Max Bernier, has raised the case with his Mexican counterpart.

    The judge in the case is expected to deliver a verdict no later than the end of May so this won't be resolved soon.
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    Posted By: rosencrentzThat is the part that I do not understand, because here once a trial starts it goes till it is finished!
    I don't know how correct this is. I've heard of many interruptions during the progress of trials in Canada. I'm certain others here have seen/heard of such interruptions...

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