Its not that far of a logical leap to think that people 100% okay with cameras everywhere on the street would eventually want to start putting them in people's homes, sure lets first start with known criminal under house arrest..then we go to criminals on probation, then, then, then... where does it stop?
Also... not much of a leap to understand that if you can be watched anywhere in public... then you can and should be watched anywhere on the internet ( no more public of a place then the internet ).
More public cameras? Less Public Cameras? No Public Cameras... hard to actually look at it without considering all the ramifications of the decision to put the cameras in and one of those ramifications is ...what comes next. To not think about what comes next if foolhardy.
The people with negative nanny mindsets think that cameras, that have identified robbers, people who drop their pants when ordering coffee, kidnappers, cop killers, drunk drivers, are an infringement on the rights of a criminals right to not be identified! No one is going to change their mind, and they have the right to keep saying that surveillance, security cameras should not be allowed! You cannot reason with these people, because, in my opinion, they are unreasonable poopheads!!
<blockquote><cite>Posted By: rosencrentz</cite>The people with negative nanny mindsets think that cameras, that have identified robbers, people who drop their pants when ordering coffee, kidnappers, cop killers, drunk drivers, are an infringement on the rights of a criminals right to not be identified!</blockquote>
I hope you were trying for humor there, because I've never heard a surveillance critic make an argument like that in my entire life.
<blockquote><cite>Posted By: rosencrentz</cite>We have very strong rights in our Bill of rights!</blockquote>
And so do the Americans with their Constitution/Bill Of Rights. That hasn't stopped the current government down south from abusing their powers though and hijacking the Constitution. If it can happen there it can happen here. Do you agree or disagree?
The US recently passed a "Thought Crime" prevention bill called HR 1955 titled the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007.
"The definition of violent radicalization uses vague language to define this term of promoting any belief system that the government considers to be an extremist agenda. Since the bill doesn’t specifically define what an extremist belief system is, it is entirely up to the interpretation of the government. Considering how much the government has done to destroy the Constitution they could even define Ron Paul supporters as promoting an extremist belief system."
Did you know that the current reported American terror watch list is 80,000 strong?
Did you know that protesters are being targeted in the US and being put on the no fly watch list?
You don't see how surveillance cameras can be abused and infringe upon civil liberties? Surveillance cameras, spy satellites, wiretapping, reading our emails, it's all related!
Like I said early on in this thread google the UK and the abuse of their CCTV cameras by the authorities.
“They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. -Benjamin Franklin-”
<blockquote><cite>Posted By: Starblubber</cite><blockquote><cite>Posted By: rosencrentz</cite>We have very strong rights in our Bill of rights!</blockquote>
Did you know that the current reported American terror watch list is 80,000 strong?
Did you know that protesters are being targeted in the US and being put on the no fly watch list?
It may also be a way to keep “terrorists” off the roadways — not the Muslim cave dwelling brand of terrorist, mind you, but the kind that exercises his or her right to petition the government under that rusty old anachronism, the First Amendment to the Bill of Rights of the Constitution.
As we know, thousands of Americans are on the Federal Aviation Administration’s No-Fly List and the FBI’s Terrorist Screening Center has compiled a terrorist watch list of over 700,000 people. Moreover, as Dave Lindorff writes, the government is in the business of passing this information out to private companies. “The Wall Street Journal reported that the FBI made its list of people with even remote links to terrorism — having associated, perhaps inadvertently, with a terror suspect, for example — available to a wide range of private companies, from banks and rental-car companies to casinos.”
Paranoia-schmaranoia. Those yanks need to give their heads a shake. The next President has his/her work cut out for him/her. If not I say we build a wall between us and trade only with China and India.
Next up: metal detectors, arbitrary detentions, and full body cavity searches.
Please show me your papers!</blockquote>
Don't forget the thumbprint and retinal scans, too, and the RFID passports, credit cards, and driver's licenses.
"I will not make any deals with you. I've resigned. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own. I resign."
Metal detectors are already here - airports, bars, some commercial establishments. Whats the big deal?Arbitrary detentions - these words seem contradictory Full body cavity searches - Only is you sell dope
I have friends who have never done a single illegal drug in their lives and even try to stay away from over the counter medicines and such. They crossed the border and were "searched" presumably just because the way they look. They felt so violated and disgusted that they will never go back.
The people in charge have all the info they need about you now so the illusion of privacy is lost , was when we went computerized and now with rdif I hope I have that right . We are the fools waiting to be tracked we have allowed it to happen by all of the reward programs we encounter and use. this info was shown to be very valuable. There is an article about it in today's freep. So afew cameras are no big deal.
Ooooooooh boy Thorn, I can see alot of devious ways for this device to be used if its sold to the general public. What good would your security cameras do if a thief breaks into your business armed with this device?